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Post  Uncle Billy Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:00 am

New Features in the latest version of the mod are quite extensive. They include:
1. New sprites created for the entire 1806 Prussian army by Remus.
2. New Austrian sprites with shakos replace many of the helmeted Austrian fusiliers by Remus.
3. New Russian foot artillery and Cossacks sprites by Remus.
4. New Prussian fusiliers and British heavy dragoons with bicorn hats by Remus.
5. New renderings of ACW maps into European ones. Vegetation and all buildings have been changed to reflect their localities. They all end in 'KS'. Spanish Ant1 & PCL1, German Gettysburg 9 mile, French Manassas,by Scaupiso. French Cold Harbor, Netherlands Secessionville, Portuguese PPT, Russian Elkhorn by Mr. Digby.
6. New vegetation has been rendered to get rid of the annoying half buried troop sprites. This in itself was a large overhaul of the game.
7. A significant portion of the AI has been rewritten. Some highlights are:
Troops will be less prone to overlap. When they do, one of the units will fallback.
Troops will no longer wheel when within enemy musket range. Now if they are flanked, they will fallback.
Skirmishers will auto-deploy and move to towards the enemy ahead of line troops. When a significant portion of the brigade becomes engaged in fighting, the skirmishers will return to a closed formation. Most jagers, 95th rifles, tirailleurs will always fight in skirmish mode.
Infantry in assault columns will target enemy squares and break them. Should cavalry be nearby, it will then ride down the fleeing enemy. A brigade can be obliterated by this method in less than 5 minutes.
Cavalry will try to move away from an enemy that it cannot charge rather than stand motionless and be shot.
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Post  rschilla Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:18 pm

Good morning, Miko

Between your comment about the maps being changed and Uncle Billy's notation about the addition of "_KS" to the revised maps I was able to amend the Nap_Rus_Elkhorn map in the scenario.ini file for French Scen. #1 to Nap_Rus_Elkhorn_KS and the scenario loaded and ran perfectly.

I'll go back to work on the other map failures I previously detected.

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Post  rschilla Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:29 pm

Map fixes are done. In most cases it was a question of adding "_KS" to the scenario.ini file. In a couple of cases I had to import the .lsl files from KB Gettysburg maps to KS 125 maps.

The Prussian sprites and the scrambled British OOB promise to be bigger issues unless I can get the recent fix to work. First effort was a failure.

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Post  rschilla Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:29 am

So in British Scenario 6 when you open the selection screen it gives you D'erlon as the corps commander.

Right then, it gets screwy.

Below D'Erlon it says

+ 9e et 11 e Voltigeur
and when you click on the plus you get:

Garde Chevauleger Lanciers Rgt
2e Btn 44e Ligne
#{WL15_FR_878
1 - 6 livres
Col. Hoffmayer
General Brigade St. Laurent


That's what I mean by scrambled. BTW, I found most of these entries scattered throughout the scenario file but not St. Laurent. I don't know where the hell it got him from.

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Post  rschilla Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:33 pm

Well I can't figure out what the problem is between the OOB files and the scenario oob files but I did try creating scenarios using both the Peninsula OOB and the Prussia 1806 OOB and both worked fine.

When I get around to it maybe I'll see if I can recreate the scenario oob for the British#6 using the new OOB. It will be an interesting project.

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Post  Mr. Digby Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:36 am

We shall need to either reissue the scenarios or more than likely, retire them and issue new ones as several OOBs (1815 and Peninsular) have been altered in the most recent release and this will cause the old scenarios to no longer work.
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Post  rschilla Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:48 am

Whatever you guys decide is fine. I'll probably keep screwing with it.


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Post  Mr. Digby Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:11 pm

In that case open up the OOBs folder of the KS 125 mod and open the OOB.csv relevant to the scenario you are using. The scenario units MUST use units from the OOB because there is a file called OOBnames.xml stored at Layout\Media\Language folder of the KS 125 mod which uses the unit and commander names and weapon types, ammo, etc to present the unit data in the various GUI windows of the toolbar.

You need to edit scenario.csv and make sure that all the unit coded designations in columns A and B fit those given in the new OOB files.

IIRC the only OOBs that were changed in this version were all three Belgium1815 ones and Peninsula_Full. Two new OOBs were added but we have not included any scenarios that use them.

BTW you cannot ADD or REMOVE units to the scenario.csv, only work with the ones already in it. We changed the master OOBs because our original OOBs were lacking and we altered things like the light infantry component of many brigades, and several unit stats, particularly British infantry firepower so even after you have done this, the old scenarios will not completely fit the new design intent of the mod. The old scenarios will also include the old unit stats and strengths (columns R to AH of the OOB.csv).

To enjoy the new stats of the improved British infantry firepower, make a sandbox scenario using the Peninsula_Full OOB on one of the Spanish or Portuguese maps (Spain Antietam 1, Spain PCL1, or Portugal PPT are recommended if you have Gettysburg; Rio Espanol or Montana Segrada if you do not). Then you can enjoy the new OOB stats in the new Spanish terrain we've made.
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Post  justin23 Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:20 pm

for some reason the Belgium 1815 prussia and full for sandbox crash when i click them can i have help please


Last edited by justin23 on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:21 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : miss spelled when)

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Post  rschilla Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:59 pm

In that case open up the OOBs folder of the KS 125 mod and open the OOB.csv relevant to the scenario you are using.

I was going to try noting which commanders were used for Br#6 and using the editor to recreate the scenario.oob and then copy it into the scenario and see what happens.

I haven't looked at either of those files, Justin. I'll let you know what happens when I do.

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Post  Mr. Digby Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:15 am

Justin, open up MyDocuments\Sowwl folder and in there open the sowwl.log file with a text editor (Notepad will do). What errors if any show in that file? You can copy/paste the file contents into a post here if any errors are not obvious to you.
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Post  Mr. Digby Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:16 am

"I was going to try noting which commanders were used for Br#6 and using the editor to recreate the scenario.oob and then copy it into the scenario and see what happens."

Please try my suggestion first. It is the easiest way to fix the issue.
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Post  justin23 Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:42 am


01:40:17 Version:SOWWL
1.01
01:40:17 Reading Key: SOFTWARE\NorbSoftDev\SOWWL
01:40:23 Mod: C:\PROGRAM FILES (X86)\STEAM\STEAMAPPS\COMMON\SCOURGE OF WAR WATERLOO\Mods\KS Napoleon Mod II 125
01:40:23 Mod: C:\PROGRAM FILES (X86)\STEAM\STEAMAPPS\COMMON\SCOURGE OF WAR WATERLOO\Mods\KS SOW Supplemental Maps117
01:40:23 Mod: C:\PROGRAM FILES (X86)\STEAM\STEAMAPPS\COMMON\SCOURGE OF WAR WATERLOO\Mods\KSSpritesMod 104
01:40:23 Ansi:16, TexH:16384, TexW:16384
01:40:23 SowWL Loaded
01:40:23 01:40:23
01:40:29 Can't find unit class type PRU_GREN_1

as you can see its that last one

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Post  Mr. Digby Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:31 pm

Justin, do you have a Sprites104 folder layout that looks like this? Are there are other folders in there? Maybe a second level of the KSSpritesMod 104 folder?

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Post  justin23 Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:31 pm

ok looking at it yes i do its all there i found PRU_GREN1 and PRU_GREN1.plist

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Post  Mr. Digby Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:47 pm

Okay, if you have a second level nested sprites 104 folder then the mod won't work so change it until it looks like my pic.

Makes sure the same problem isn't also in the KS 125 mod and the Supplemental Maps 117 as well.
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Post  rschilla Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:56 pm

Please try my suggestion first. It is the easiest way to fix the issue.


I'll give it a shot. Something else you said triggered a memory, though. If the .xml file is screwed up because of the changes then there is no way in hell that the proper OOB is going to appear on the scenario selection screen.

What would happen if I simply recreated the .xml file using the program provided?

And, of course, I would save the original files first before doing anything.

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Post  justin23 Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:00 pm

i deleted it and reinstalled still nothing i dont have the KS GB maps but the prussian belgium 1815 sandbox and belgium 1815 full are the only ones that dont work every other map works i click on the sandbox skirmish or campaign with those 2 in it which is prussian and full for the 1815 kriegspiel that involve the prussians all i get is scourge of war waterloo stopped working and am forced to close out

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Post  Mr. Digby Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:38 am

rschilla -

The xml file is not screwed up, it has been changed to reflect the new OOBs. This is why the old scenarios (which use the old OOBs) no longer work.

"What would happen if I simply recreated the .xml file using the program provided?"

You can't as the OOBs you have now are the new ones. 'Recreating' the xml would give you the same xml.

The suggestion I made is the only one I can see that will work. We will no doubt issue some new scenarios in the future and the existing ones will be retired.

Justin - I am getting the same error as you. There is a fault with the 1815 Prussian OOBs. We'll get this fixed asap.
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Post  justin23 Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:03 am

i knew it wasnt just me thank you

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Post  rschilla Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:59 am

Okay, so here's part of the scenario file from British6.  

(You don't have a way to attach files here, do you?)

WL15_FR_2 Général de Division Drouet d'Erlon I Corps FR_INF_CDR_Corps (9-5) 0
WL15_FR_415 Général de Division Baron Vichery 13e Division FR_Inf_Cdr_Div (13-5) 0
WL15_FR_654 Général de Brigade Chatrand Brigade Chatrand FR_INF_CDR_Brig (11-9) 0
WL15_FR_655 1er btn 1er Voltiguers FR_GUARDVOLT (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_656 2e btn 1er Voltigeurs FR_GUARDVOLT (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_657 1er btn 1er Tirailleurs FR_GUARDTIR (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_658 2e btn 1er Tirailleurs FR_GUARDTIR (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_422 Général de Brigade Desprez Brigade Desprez FR_INF_CDR_Brig (11-9) 0
WL15_FR_423 1er btn 48e Ligne FR_FUS_1_SK (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_424 48e et 69e Voltigeur FR_LINE_VOLTIGEUR (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_425 2e btn 48e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_426 1er btn 69e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_427 2e btn 69e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_878 Général de Brigade Guiton Brigade Guiton FR_CAV_CDR_BRIG (4-9) 0
WL15_FR_879 8e Cuirassiers esc 1 FR_CUIRASSIER (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Cav_Weapon
WL15_FR_882 11e Cuirassiers esc 1 FR_CUIRASSIER (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Cav_Weapon
WL15_FR_103 Général de brigade Gobrecht 3e Chevaulegers-Lancier Regt / Brigade Gobrecht FR_CAV_CDR_BRIG (14-9) 0
WL15_FR_104 3e Chevaulegers-Lanciers esc 1 FR_LANCIER (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Cav_Weapon
WL15_FR_107 4e Chevaulegers-Lanciers esc1 FR_LANCIER (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Cav_Weapon
WL15_FR_673 Capitain Charbonier 3e Aux. Artillerie à pied FR_ART_CDR_BTY (0-9) 0
WL15_FR_729 Capitain Barbarin 4e Garde Batterie à cheval FR_HART_CDR_BTY (9-9) 0
WL15_FR_129 Général de Division Bachelu 5e Division FR_Inf_Cdr_Div (1-1) 0
WL15_FR_561 Général de Brigade Penne Brigade Penne FR_INF_CDR_Brig (10-9) 0
WL15_FR_562 1er btn 65e Ligne FR_FUS_1_SK (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_563 65e et 75e Voltigeur FR_LINE_VOLTIGEUR (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_564 1er btn 75e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_565 2e btn 75e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_595 Général de Division Comte Roguet 1er Brigade Vieille Garde FR_INF_CDR_LINE_Brig (11-5) 0
WL15_FR_596 1er btn 1er Grenadiers à Pied FR_OLDGUARD (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_597 2e btn 1er Grenadiers à Pied FR_OLDGUARD (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_598 1er btn 2e Grenadiers à Pied FR_OLDGUARD (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_599 2e btn 2e Grenadiers à Pied FR_OLDGUARD (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_659 Général de Brigade Guye Brigade Guye FR_INF_CDR_Brig (15-1) 0
WL15_FR_660 1er btn 3e Voltigeurs FR_GUARDVOLT (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_661 2e btn 3e Voltigeurs FR_GUARDVOLT (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_662 1er btn 3e Tirallieurs FR_GUARDTIR (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_663 2e btn 3e Tirallieurs FR_GUARDTIR (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_870 Général de Brigade Picquet Brigade Picquet FR_CAV_CDR_BRIG (5-9) 0
WL15_FR_871 2e Dragons esc 1 FR_DRAGOON (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Cav_Weapon
WL15_FR_875 7e Dragons esc 1 FR_DRAGOON (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Cav_Weapon
WL15_FR_575 VI Corps Reserve Batterie à pied 4e/8e Artillerie à pied FR_ART_CDR_BTY (0-9) 0
WL15_FR_929 Capitain Duchet 5/1er Artillerie à cheval FR_HART_CDR_BTY (8-9) 0
WL15_FR_653 Général de Division Comte Duhemse jeune Garde FR_Inf_Cdr_Div (14-1) 0
WL15_FR_33 Général de Brigade Aulard Brigade Aulard FR_INF_CDR_Brig (10-9) 0
WL15_FR_34 1er btn 19e Ligne FR_FUS_1_SK (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_35 19e et 51e Voltigeur FR_LINE_VOLTIGEUR (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_36 2e btn 19e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_37 1er btn 51e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_38 2e btn 51e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_511 Général de Brigade de Bellair Brigade Bellair FR_INF_CDR_Brig (10-9) 0
WL15_FR_512 1er btn 5e Ligne FR_FUS_1_SK (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_513 2e btn 5e Ligne FR_LINE_VOLTIGEUR (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX_sk
WL15_FR_514 5e et 11e Voltigeur FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_515 1er btn 11e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_516 2e btn 11e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_517 3e btn 11e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_400 Général de Brigade Schaeffer Brigade Schaeffer FR_INF_CDR_Brig (11-9) 0
WL15_FR_401 1er btn 63e Ligne FR_FUS_1_SK (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_402 1er btn 6e Légère FR_LEGERE_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_403 2e btn 63e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_404 3e btn 63e Ligne FR_FUS_1 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Charleville_M_1777_Year_IX
WL15_FR_459 Général de brigade Vallin Brigade Vallin FR_CAV_CDR_BRIG (0-6) 0
WL15_FR_460 6e Hussards esc 1 FR_HUSSAR2 (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Cav_Weapon
WL15_FR_463 8e Chàsseurs à Cheval esc 1 FR_CHASCHEVAL (2-0) IDS_ARSN_Cav_Weapon
WL15_FR_717 Colonel Hoffmayer Brigade Hoffmayer FR_CAV_CDR_BRIG (5-9) 0
WL15_FR_718 Dragons de l'Impératice esc 1 FR_DRAGOON (1-0) IDS_ARSN_Cav_Weapon
WL15_FR_643 Capitain Antoine Bernard 2e/1er Aux. Artillerie à pied FR_ART_CDR_BTY (0-9) 0
WL15_FR_370 III Corps Res. Batterie à pied 1 1er/2e Artillerie à pied FR_ART_CDR_BTY (0-9) 0

{in the interest of brevity, I deleted the guns but they are there.  They are not the problem.}

I've gone through all the OOBs and can't find anything that gives Gen. Vichery of the 13th Division command of Chatrand's Bde of the Young Guard.  For that matter, General Duhesme, who does command the Young Guard Division ends up with Aulard's Bde from the First Corps and  Bellair's Bde from the Sixth Corps.  This is too weird for me to figure out.

I've used the scenario editor enough to know if you select a division commander from a different Corps he will show up in the OOB BUT he will bring the units that are assigned to him by the OOB file not a brigade from here or there.  I need a glass of wine.

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Post  Mr. Digby Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:02 pm

If you are using the KS scenario editor, then, yes, random brigades get selected for the divisions and corps. To keep the historical structure use the "campaign" option before selecting your units.
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Post  Mr. Digby Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:27 pm

Justin - the KS Mod 125 has been updated with the fixed unitglobal. You will need to redownload just the KS 125 mod.
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Post  Uncle Billy Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:40 pm

You are making it harder than it really is. To fix the scenarios open the master oob from which the scenario was generated and the scenario.csv file. I think only the British side was affected, so scroll down to the British side, find the name of a commander or unit in scenario.csv, find the corresponding name in the master oob. If the ID in scenario.csv, (col H) doesn't match that of col B in the master oob, change the value in col. H so it does. Now check that the value in col. K, (scenario.csv) matches the master oob col. K.
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Post  rschilla Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:09 pm

If you are using the KS scenario editor, then, yes, random brigades get selected for the divisions and corps. To keep the historical structure use the "campaign" option before selecting your units.


Bingo. That explains the scrambled OOB. I always use the campaign option because I usually have some historical situation in mind...at least vaguely. For example, last night I used the ten mile map to set up a facsimile of the Battle of Auerstadt using the Prussian 1806 OOB. I tried it this morning and it promptly crashed citing numerous missing graphics files in the text log. I'll have to look into that later.

I think only the British side was affected,

I'll go back and see what the Brits look like but the problem was that it was the French OOB which was screwed up. I thought the Allies looked okay but I didn't pay that much attention to them. I'll let you know.



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