The American Kriegsspiel

Has anyone out there a copy of the American Kriegsspiel by William R. Livermore?
"A game for practicing the art of war upon a topographical map"

A review of said rules from New York Times, 1898.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9800E7DE1139E433A25755C1A9629C94699ED7CF

For some reason I have it in mind that Martin has a copy of these because they featured once in the old email newsletter.

There is a copy in the British Library.
http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/AQUS1J5QSC1NF5VNRLR8UTG9NEEHQM3QAB4E4FHYDR1XAJC5B8-04726?func=full-set-set&set_number=134207&set_entry=000023&format=999

It can also be found online at Google Books in pdf form:

The American Kriegsspiel. A game for practicing the art of war upon a topographical map
By William Roscoe Livermore
Published by Houghton, Mifflin and Co., 1879
Original from the University of California
Digitized Nov 16, 2007
128 pages

However, the tables etc found in the separate atlas are harder to find.

Google won't let us poor British people access the page though

just wish someone could email it to the site


Ian

Seconded. I could make the pdf a downloadable item and provide a link.

Is there a way to save files on the site already as it would become a great archive if we could

Ian

henridecat wrote:Seconded. I could make the pdf a downloadable item and provide a link.

Hello, Friends!

I'm new on this forum and for years I'm looking for Drill Regulations, Simulation games for army usage [Kriegsspiel above all], but I can't find many interesting things, becouse some site are bloking non-american users... As Google blocks "American Kriegsspiel...

Dear Ian, would you be so kind and put pdf of "American Kriegspiel" on any site, or working link here or.. if you would be so horrible kind [ ] email copy of that book to me? I'd be very, very grateful.

Second thing I'm looking for is Totten "Strategos: An American Art of War" from 1880 [I have found many different titles of that game, but it all seems to be the same. I'm living in Poland and here is no possibility to get that book.. Maybe someone knows where to fing pdf or any format of this book? Or maybe already has that book and could share it with us?

I'm trying to find with my German friend original version of "Kriegsspiel" from 1824, it could be very interesting to have that copy. Maybe someone on this forum already has this book?

Thank You and I'm sorry for such a long letter...

I think that it's a good start for really good site of historical military simulators-wargames. The only thing I miss here is library with collected orders of battle, old wargames, more art of war materials and firing test results, marching test results.. etc... to make Kriegsspiel living simulation.

All materials, books on art of war in no longer copyrighted and possible to find in internet, but you need months if not years to find what you need. It would be great if we could build here small library with collected all that sources...

Just and idea, but as for me - very important and interesting...

And, if you allow me to add one more line;
Kriegsspiel idea is based on EXPERIENCED umpires.. Unfortunately we have no possibility to find any living officer from first half of XIXc, so everything we can do is to collect memoires, orders for troops, thoughts of great strategists of history... And.. collect every possible data from historical and some reliable modern experiments...

With Kind Regards,
Moskit

wish i could get it Moskit but i am in the same position google wont let me get it

Hi,

It seems we have to find good soul who will help us get it...

regards,
Moskit

Gents, I am sorry, I had missed this thread.
I have a copy and would be happy to email it to those who want it.

I very kind offer. Perhaps Richard could add it to the k/spiel website, where it would be permanently available? I'll copy this to him in case he doesn't see it.

Martin

I was wondering about that, I don't want to get on Google's bad side but on the other hand if you chaps over the water can't access them there must be some workaround. I even tried starting up another Yahoo group but they've limited file upload size to 5mb and most of these files are 10-15mb so that was a no go.

My offer stands till we can figure out a better way.

Thank you for your help Lug, very interesting rulesets.

As its out of copyright and publically accessible I don't think there should be any problem in making it available online elsewhere (unless anyone can advise me otherwise). If you could mail it to me at webmaster at kriegsspiel.org.uk I'll put a link to a download in this topic.

henridecat wrote:As its out of copyright and publically accessible I don't think there should be any problem in making it available online elsewhere (unless anyone can advise me otherwise). If you could mail it to me at webmaster at kriegsspiel.org.uk I'll put a link to a download in this topic.

On the way!

I just put it up as a link on a free file Sharing site. The Google Notice at the beginning section of the books say sharing is fine if not for commercial purposes so this is free of charge
American Kriegspiel

Many thanks, doughty Ravensworth.

Martin

where is the link, please - couldn't see it on the web, though I did find Perla's book on wargame design to compensate

King_Rufus wrote:where is the link, please - couldn't see it on the web, though I did find Perla's book on wargame design to compensate

DUH! seen the link now

Time for your medication, your highness.

Yours

A humble subject.

Sorry to resurrected such an old thread but after years of searching I had a DUH moment that allowed me to find a copy of book two. As a book published in the United States there is an online copy in the Library of Congress loc.org. Just search for Livermore or Kriegsspiel.